Det er ikke bare bare å samarbeide med et legesenter i Nederland

Vi har utforsket muligheten til å etablere et samarbeid med Expat Medical Center i Amsterdam for å hjelpe norske pasienter som bruker medisinsk cannabis. Vi fikk ikke til noe direkte samarbeid – men vi fikk en informasjonsmail som kan være lur å få med seg. Under kan dere se vår forespørsel og påfølgende svar fra klinikk.

E-post til Expat Medical Center :

Dear,

I’m writing in the name of Normal Norge. We are a non-profit organisation working for more sensible cannabis  regulations in Norway.
A big part of our supporting members are patients with different mental of physical problems who use, or would like to try medical cannabis. As the process of getting medical cannabis delivered to a Norwegian pharmacy is way too complicated and beaurocratic, many are willing to travel to the Netherlands to buy their medicine (typically Bedrocan or Sativex), and many are asking us for advice.
As an organisation who are continuously working for the best interest of our members, we are looking to establish a partnership between a medical center in Amsterdam. Our partner then would be the go-to place for Norwegian patients that we would recommend to contact.
We don’t ask for commission neither we ask for marketing fee. The only things we ask are
 –  statistics about how many Norwegians went for consultations to your center in a given time period (yearly for example). We ask  anonymous statistics, only with few basic demographic data like for example gender. This would help a lot in understanding medical use better, and would help to pave the way to drug reform in Norway.
 – answer to eventual questions that the patients have upfront. These are few typical questions like «What is the maximum amount of medicine I can take?» or «What papers do I need from my Norwegian doctor?» «How much a consultation costs?» etc. These are questions that are asked repeatedly, so it is only needed to be answered once. In case of agreement we can collect the questions and send them to you. This would help patients to be prepared for their journey.
Is this something that can be interesting for you?
Write or call in case something is unclear.
Yours sincerely
Rita Jonyer
Administrative secretary
Etter fem dager og en ringerunde  fikk vi dette svaret:

We are not looking for customers from your country. If they fall under the very strict protocol, they are welcome to book and appointment and if the doctor feels he can prescribe medical cannabis, it will be done. The papers to travel with are supplied by us if there is indeed a prescription made… we do not treat psychological issues with cannabis, to be very clear nabout this issue.

kind regards

<name>, assistant

In order for Dr. <..> to be able to prescribe medical marijuana, you need to have the advice from the specialists who you visit in your own country stating that this medication is necessary, because other regular prescribed medication is not effective enough.. Also you need to have the papers to travel with it.

 If it is prescribed here, it takes 2 days for the pharmacy to fill your prescription … they need to order it.

 For what medical disorders the use of Cannabis is indicated?

There is sufficient reason to believe that medicinal cannabis can help in cases of:

  • pain and muscle spasms or cramps associated with multiple sclerosis or spinal
  • cord damage;
  • nausea, loss of appetite, weight loss and debilitation due to cancer or AIDS;
  • nausea and vomiting associated with chemotherapy or radiotherapy used in the
  • treatment of cancer, hepatitis C or HIV infection and AIDS;
  • chronic pain (mainly pain associated with the nervous system, for example that
  • caused by a damaged nerve, phantom pain, facial neuralgia or chronic pain which
  • remains after the recovery from shingles);
  • Gilles de la Tourette syndrome;
  • therapy-resistant glaucoma.

*We can’t prescribe medical cannabis in case of psychiatric problems 

Patients generally tolerate medicinal cannabis well. A low dosage often provides sufficient relief, so that side effects rarely occur. When they do, it is usually the result of a high dosage or combined use with a substance such as alcohol that intensifies the side effects.

Known side effects of medicinal cannabis are mood-altering effects, insomnia and heart palpitations. Other effects are: relaxation, fits of laughter, feeling hungry, heightened sensitivity to the perception of e.g. colour and music, lethargy and distorted temporal and spatial awareness. Your reaction time may also be slower, especially during the first hours after use. If you take a large dose, you can get ‘high’. This is a feeling of euphoria which slowly subsides into feeling satisfied, peaceful and calm. The altered perception may cause you to feel confused. These effects usually disappear after a few hours.

If you have a genetic predisposition to psychosis (like schizophrenia) or other mental health problems, please consult your specialist before using medicinal cannabis. You should also consult your doctor if you are a cardiac patient.Continuous use of cannabis during pregnancy can affect the foetus. Also, certain components of cannabis – like THC – end up in breast milk. That is why the use of medicinal cannabis is not advisable during pregnancy and while breastfeeding. For more information, consult your doctor or pharmacist.

Smoking cannabis regularly is bad for your health. Smoke damages the lungs and could lead to infections of the nose, throat and lungs. For this reason, smoking medicinal cannabis is not recommended. Instead, inhaling cannabis using a reliable vaporiser is a more suitable method.

Addiction is unlikely with cannabis used as a medicine. The recommended dose is usually lower than that for recreational use. You should take particular car  if you have been addicted in the past. High dosages of medicinal cannabis taken over a longer period may lead to addiction. Quitting may then cause withdrawal symptoms, such as mild forms of restlessness, irritability, insomnia and nausea.

Hope this was helpful info,

Vi spurte dem om vi kunne få en anonym statistikk på hvor mange pasienter fra Norge som får utskrevet medisinsk cannabis pr. år og hvor mye blir utskrevet til Norske pasienter til sammen – men dette fikk vi ikke noe svar på.

Vet du om en klinikk eller et legesenter som vi kan ta kontakt med i Nederland for å hjelpe norske pasienter? Skriv til post@normalnorge.no